Well, D3 told the truth … we really have no idea if putting an electrolyzer under the hood of an automobile improves fuel economy … that don’t mean its not a viable technolgy … and those who are experimentting with automotive implementations should continue … but lets start treating it like a science project and stop believing all the hype out there … We need to be clear that this is not a consumer product suitable for average Joe Blow … and we need to continue to perfect our methods so that some day, it just might be …
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I appreciate your enthusiasm but I have not yet found a way to harness the implosion effect in a conventional ICE. In fact, I find it necessary to disperse the implosion effect by mixing a considerable volume of ambient air with the HHO to get the engine to run properly … so as much as I would love for you to be correct in your evaluation, I would have to see some evidence of this performance advantage to get on board …
lol this is not a simple math question and You got it all WRONG! Joules is not an accurate measurement of HHO because 80% of Gasoline is wasted as heat. All it has to do is expand inside a piston, HHO does one better it expands and then implodes creating powerful negative pressure to drive the piston back up, and at near top dead center is when it should be vented. That’s why the timing has to be adjusted. Plus HHO runs cooler and less energy is wasted trying to cool the engine.
there are many out there who through skill and hard work, have achieved impressive mileage improvements in their automobiles … but too many vendors over promise and lead consumers to believe that its just a simple bolt on process … people should understand what they are getting into with these things … it all highly experimental and is not a plug and play operation … I personally, have not been able to get an automotive booster to work for me … but many others have …
well thanks for the advice guys atleast your being truthfull honest and not claiming something your unsure of to be true.hats off to ya!thanks for all these vids aswell seeing all your successes and failures takes alot out from a learning curve.but i guess theres no real thing as a failure just another way which didnt work
we do not need to break up long chain molecules like the GEET does, so an actual GEET setup is not appropriate … but a system that allows the full re breathing of the exhaust from HHO is practical, do able, desirable and is being done now … this may be demonstrated on YouTube sometime this summer …
the EPA has their agenda, we have ours … when they ask to sniff my tail pipe, I want to laugh and tell them, “sure, if you can find it !!”
Geet and HHO? Anyone? It is purported that there is a 100MPG car in the Philippines. Wonder what the EPA has to say about that.
of gasoline. In 142.26 hours at 60 MPH, you would cover 8,535 miles.
In a 17 MPG vehicle, you would use 502 gallons of gasoline and save one gallon, or 0.2 percent. In a 34 MPG vehicle, you would use 251 gallons and save one gallon, or 0.4 percent.
However, the alternator would sap power and therefore you will have a net loss. Gasoline packs a lot of energy into a very small package. That is why we use it.
34.2 MJ divided by 0.006106 MJ is a ratio of 5,601 to 1. Therefore, if you could produce 5,601 gallons of HHO you could replace one gallon of gasoline.
At 6 milliliters per minute per watt (85 percent Faraday water electrolysis efficiency), production with 414 watts input (13.8 volts x 30 amps) = 2.484 liters per minute.
5,601 gallons = 21,202 liters. Divide by 2.484 LPM and you would have to run an electrolysis unit for 8,535 minutes or 142.26 hours to replace one gallon
SEE PART THREE
This message corrects one I deleted. Encyclopedias say the energy density of gasoline is 34.2 MJ per liter. Energy density of gaseous hydrogen at room temperature is 0.01079 MJ per liter.
HHO, two parts H and one part O so divide 0.01079 by 3 x 2 = energy density of 0.007193 MJ per liter at room temperature.
Typical HHO cell temperature is 120 F. At that temperature, the HHO expands 17.8 percent.
0.007193 divided by 117.8 x 100 is an energy density of 0.006106 MJ per liter.
SEE PART TWO
SSC, you are right, and Marty is wrong. They ARE regulations, not laws. Marty WANTS them to be laws so he can support his attacks on sending people to prison, which is his ultimate motive. Unfortunately for him, he has no legs to stand on. Like you said – why waste your time? Why fight an argument we have already won????? Time to hit the “mute” button on the “EPAMAN” wannabee.
If I were giving legal advice, that would be news to me. Quoting law is not legal advise. Letting ppl know that that what they are doing is in violation of the law is not illegal…good try though…flies like a pig flies.
well, dang it, if you are going to buy one, think about getting one of EBN’s … we could use the business … I am not going to promise you a zillion mpg, and frankly, I have some reservations about putting these things under the hood of gasoline powered vehicles … but I aint your nanny, and if you are going to give ti a try, hope you try it with the best and go EBN … but there are others making capable devices who will also treat you honestly …
By the way this entrie thread is not aimed at you Scarecrow. It’s just interesting that It’s very easy to get Free Legal advice that’s worth about as much as you pay for it here and in Forums and elsewhere online. I don’t understand why people have to give unrequested free legal advice to help people that don’t need or want it. I think maybe it’s time for me to buy one of these devices and see if they
do indeed prove to be fun to play with. I am already getting decent results with other means
LOL … well, you might just have a good argument there …
my point of view on the whole thing is that if the EPA or the FTC cant find anything more important to do than mess with some mechanically inclined tinkerers who are sincerely trying to figure out ways to get a few more miles per gallon and/or reduce emissions, we are paying them WAY too much money and they got WAY too much time on their hands …
get back to work, slacker !!!
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what most see when they start injecting HHO is a rise in idle speed … basically, you are giving it more fuel, so the idle increases … but in automotive implementations, it gets tricky because of the computer controls … the computer will most likely compensate for whatever you do and defeat any gains … or so I am told … please let us know if you figure out a way to get reliable gains in economy, performance or emissions … lot of interested people out there …
been there done that …
your assertion is that these “laws”, actually regulations, prohibit the manufacture and sale of the devices … this is quite clearly not the case …
if someone chose to install one of EBN’s devices on an automobile, against our recomendations, we would be very pleased if they would share whatever data they acquire in their experiments with it in that application …
I am not telling anyone not to do it, just that I dont think it will work as expected …
we have a difference of opinion on this issue … I agree to disagree … how about you ???
excessive heat is normally caused by either too high a voltage per plate gap or too much wattage for the available surface area … the key to making an efficient, productive device is to design it properly for the volts and amps you intend to apply … there is no one size fits all …
I have not introduced HHO yet; the ignition modifications were made in preparation for HHO booster installation. Btw I made a slight error in numbers rpms should have been 750rpm that’s the speed the engine runs at idle.
and amended many times since them to keep up with the times
So that would mean = Using higher voltage you could use lower amps, which should mean much less heat and you should get higher production. That could be a way to use a dry cell to drive a heating device for use in a home. Thanks for your time and input!
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The Clean Air Act is the law that defines EPA’s responsibilities for protecting and improving the nation’s air quality. All materials Ive referenced stem from that law. You should read it. It is a LAW. Passed by congress in 1970. You are clearly wrong